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1/26/2021 8:55 PM
 

Heh. It's kind of funny how, until a year or so ago, we all were able to get from here to there without worrying about ADS-B traffic icons popping up unreliably on the GPS screen--or NOT popping up. I've scared the crap outa myself more than once when suddenly there was a traffic icon without an airplane in sight or a visible airplane without a traffic icon.  I enjoy technology--but I'm not really looking forward to the robot screaming "TRAFFIC" etc. in my ears.

 
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1/26/2021 9:15 PM
 

So IFLY "screamimg" TERRAIN, TOO LOW ], 500 amd PU:: UP doesn't create a problem?

John M

 
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1/27/2021 8:37 AM
 
John Miller wrote:

So IFLY "screamimg" TERRAIN, TOO LOW ], 500 amd PU:: UP doesn't create a problem?

John M

Good point, John--although I have two different answers: One is that the ADS-B system is still unreliable. Where I generally fly (near Richmond, VA, but outside the KRIC Class C airspace) transponders are not required, and a surprising number of airplanes aren't ADS-B equipped. Also, there are lots of military helicopters that don't transmit ADS-B data. So no matter how good one's ADS-B receiving and displaying equipment is, those aircraft are never going to show up on the screen. So I have to expect frequent false negatives--no indication that those aircraft are nearby--creating a false sense of security. Yes, iFly often displays ADS-B traffic; but I can never know what it doesn't display. What's even worse is that friends' airplanes that I know are transmitting ADS-B data are not always depicted on my iFly display--even when I can see them directly with my eyes. Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't. (It might be caused by faulty coordination of the UAT and standard ADS-B data, but I don't know that for sure.) In any case, it's very disappointing. So if iFly were announcing "traffic" in my headset, it would be some slight comfort if traffic is really THERE. But it wouldn't be really comforting because I could never be sure.

As for your terrain example: hills and towers aren't at all like airborne traffic. Hills and towers don't move around, ascend, or descend. They're always either there or they're not there. So a terrain-and-obstacle warning device ought to be close to 100% reliable--very unlike ADS-B.

But my other reason is that I usually fly a small amphibian low and therefore have terrain warnings turned off to keep from constantly being warned of flying close to the ground when it's my intention to fly low. So I leave terrain alerts turned off unless I know I'm going to be flying among hills and avoiding water. Granted, I'm probably a special case in this--but constant audio warnings of terrain would--for me--be intolerable.

On the other hand, I'm reasonably comfortable with iFly's "Traffic" instrument--that black square that pops up when iFly detects ADS-B traffic. I usually see it appear, and even when I don't notice it immediately, it stays on the screen for me to notice later. So it depicts the positives it gets but doesn't nag me about them and I know to expect that there almost certainly are false negatives flying all around me.

An effective audio warning would happen once and stop nagging until the situation got really serious. But it would still be a positive, and I'd never know about the false negatives.

What I've come to be most disappointed in is those military helicopters that aren't playing in the ADS-B system. They're often flying at or above my altitude. Or aren't they? (Or are they...)

So maybe Boeing/Foreflight has audio traffic alerts all worked out--but unless they're awfully close to 100% accurate, I'm not tempted to complicate my flying life with yet another steep learning curve and a complete instrument panel rebuild.

 
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1/27/2021 3:55 PM
 
N854HC wrote:

Maybe more difficult than you assume, especially targeting four host OSs. And people's lives depending on it. I would rather have it right than soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

ding ding ding... we have a correct response. There's no "maybe", instead try "exponentially". We have to make sure we make a safe, consistent experience across four completely different operating environments (ios, windows, android, 740b) that works with every granular difference in ads/b receiver every time. 

He's right, it's not rocket surgery. It's more like trying to play Operation riding in the back of a pickup during a magnitude 8 earthquake in a police chase. 

Stuff that seems easy rarely is in software development. I am also impaitient when it comes to new features in DCS, a combat flight sim, and hate that their community managers were never responsive or transparent. That's not how we work around here. As soon as I get any kind of an update I'll let y'all know. That's one of the reasons I have never and will never give hard dates for releases.

We're in the middle of a huge project that I can't talk about yet, which all of y'all already know about. That's taking the lions' share of our development resources. All of these requested features, like vocal alerts and weight/balance etc are going to be incorporated. Originally the release date was supposed to be Christmas, then Sun n Fun, and now Osh. We'd rather give you guys something awesome and polished that works than have an ordeal like what's happening with Cyberpunk 2077 - a game that was over-hyped and rushed that led to a lot folks being disappointed. 

 

 
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1/29/2021 9:19 AM
 

I am guessing that some of the IFLY responders never use Flight Following since thay wouldn't want to hear the controller's traffic warning "screaming" in their ears.

Just like Flight Following, having vocal warnings on IFLY would allow everyone on board to hear the warning and look in the direction the controller has called out. More eyes looking is always better.

John M

 

 
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