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10/7/2018 2:36 PM
 
Tim Taylor wrote:
I think it is very logical to most of us. All you have to do is realize it is in reference to a pilot landing on a specific runway. It shows 3 things. The narrow arrow is the wind relative to your airplane. The green, red, and yellow arrows show the headwind, tailwind, and crosswind component of that wind. It is perfectly logical. IT DOES NOT RELATE to the airport diagram or the map view, nor should it.

That said, there could be other LOGICAL ways to show it, but I don't think they would be any more clear, just different, and probably more confusing.

Perhaps, some of the confusion could be eliminated with better labeling and maybe decouple the airport diagram view from the wind component view (another tap away).

EDIT: Brian, I would also consider switching the location of the headwind/tailwind components and crosswind components. Just seems like you first want to find a "green" runway with a headwind, then see the crosswind component for that runway. Also put a label above these.

Tim, take a look at my HWO posting of yesterday showing runways 10 R and L as active.  The wind is from 060 and the little arrow appears to be drawn at 130 degrees, which is NOT the wind relative to an aircraft on the active runway. I am sure there is some meaning to it, but to me it is totally illogical.    Brian, can you jump in here and explain what the intent of the little arrow is? 

 
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10/7/2018 3:10 PM
 
I already looked at your suggestion and did not like it. It was more confusing and did not improve anything. Brian will tell you what several of us have already told you multiple times. The thin arrow is the wind relative to your airplane when on final and landing on that specific runway. The colored arrows are headwind or tailwind and crosswind components. They are the legs of a right triangle where the wind is the hypotenuse. Do you really not get it?

Your drawing is something you posted. Who knows what the arrows represent if you don't.

EDIT: The reason you are struggling with this is you continue to relate the wind arrows on the right with the airport diagram on the left. There is no relation. The wind arrows on the right are in relation to an airplane on final approach to that runway. That includes the thin wind vector arrow as well as the colored wind component arrows.
 
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10/7/2018 5:23 PM
 
Also, while the airport diagram on the left is north up, the right side wind component chart is not north up. It is aircraft heading up. Aircraft heading being the same as the referenced runway direction. So, for runway 10R and runway 10L, the top of the diagram on the right side would be 100 degrees. And likewise, for runways 28L and 28R, the top of the right side diagram would be 280 degrees since that would be your aircraft heading if landing on runway 28L or 28R.
 
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10/7/2018 9:39 PM
 
Frank Parker wrote:
I have no problem understanding the iFly depictions, but what irks me is that it is not logical. Given te incentive a wizard like Brian could make improvements in the presentation.

Could you clarify what "not logical" means?  Do you mean it's not an accurate depiction, or it's not easy to understand?

If you really "have no problem understanding the iFly depictions", then why are we having this discussion?

 
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10/7/2018 10:07 PM
 
Frank Parker wrote:
Take a look at my HWO posting of yesterday showing runways 10 R and L as active.  The wind is from 060 and the little arrow appears to be drawn at 130 degrees, which is NOT the wind relative to an aircraft on the active runway. I am sure there is some meaning to it, but to me it is totally illogical.    Brian, can you jump in here and explain what the intent of the little arrow is? 

Frank, let me walk you through this. 

First, note the wind barb in the left pane.  I am going to add a blue dotted line showing the wind direction, and show how that wind barb and the little arrow you're asking about are exactly the same thing.  

Fig 1:  See red circle, below, with blue line added to represent the 060 wind as depicted by the wind barb.   Note also the silhouette of a plane lined up to land on runway 10R.

Fig 2:  I moved the blue line down a bit so that it actually intersects the 10/28 runways, for clarity.

Fig 3:  Now, take what's shown in the left pane, and rotate it as if you're changing from "north up" to "track up" mode on the moving map (with the plane at the bottom of the screen moving "up" along the page).  This is an industry standard way of representing "forward flight" on a flat display.  For this example for 10R, it would be a 100-deg counterclockwise rotation.  (For 01L or 01R, it would be a 10 deg counterclockwise rotation, etc.)

Fig 4:  What the diagram looks like after rotation:

Fig 5:  Let's focus in on just the plane getting ready to land on runway 10R, and how the wind is blowing across that runway:

Fig 6:  Now let's look at how Brian is indicating the wind as it is blowing across runway 10R:

So:  Which part of that is not logical?

 
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