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Bare Panel, what would you do?

1/29/2016 1:25 PM

Bruce Claremont

Joined: 3/22/2017

Posts: 65

Bare Panel, what would you do?

I have a 4-place experimental with a bare panel. No radio, intercom, nav, or transponder. I've been breaking it in with a hand held iCom radio and an iFly 700. The panel is large, like a Cessna 172, so space is not at a premium.

I am ready to build a permanent avionics set. I am a VFR pilot. No need for hard IFR. I intend to equip with ADS-B In/Out and I want all the related bells and whistles (traffic, weather, FIS-B, 1090ES capable). I want the ADS-B solution to integrate smoothly with an iFly 740.

I would like to have an AHRS feed for the iFly as well, but that is not a hard requirement. I do want:

- Mode S Transponder

- ADS-B In/Out with 1090ES, traffic, weather, FIS-B

- 4-place intercom

- Radio that allows listening on two frequencies.

- iFly 740

Can I acheive my wish for under $6,000? What would you build?

What I've looked at:

Radios: PS Engineering PAR200 Audio System; Garmin GTX 200 (2-place intercom only)

Transponders: Lynx NGT9000 (budget buster, but way cool); Sandia STX 360; Garmin GTX 327; Sandia STX 165

ADS-B: NavWorx ADS600-EXP; SkyGuardTWX Vision-Pro Plus ADS-B Transceiver

Ought to be flying instead of posting.

2/1/2016 3:00 PM

RONSIM

Joined: 11/3/2010

Posts: 98

Re: Bare Panel, what would you do?

Bruce --- I have an RV-6A, currently re-building the radio stack for IFR --- however, I think I am doing some of what you are planning, and will make a couple of comments. If you go with a NavWorx 600EXP, you will have a compliant 2020 ADS-B sytem that will talk to your iFly 740 (as I have). You will not need an expensive Mode S transponder. If you have a newer digital transponder and encoder (I am using a new Garmin 327 and getting my encoder from my Dynon D10A) , the Navworx will hook up, either through serial or using their Transmonde pickup.

I won't comment on the radios, or intercoms, as there are several out there that will meet your requirements and probably keep you in the 6K range.

Have fun!

Ron

2/1/2016 8:08 PM

Bruce Claremont

Joined: 3/22/2017

Posts: 65

Re: Bare Panel, what would you do?

Here are the packages I have outlined. The Sandia packages may not have all the antenna required. The STX 360 is a bit of a crap shoot as it is not yet available. Only the VisonPro offers built in AHRS, hence the iLevil included in the other packages. I am strongly tempted to go with a used Garmin GTX 327 instead of the STX 165 to get a better user interface.

These are hardware costs only, no installation included.

Package 1
PAR200A NAV/COM	$2,300
Lynx NGT9000 Transponder	$6,800
iLevil Sport	$772
Avionics Bus	$50
	$9,922
Package 2
PAR200A NAV/COM	$2,300
Sandia STX360 Transponder	$3,500
iLevil Sport	$772
Avionics Bus	$50
	$6,622

Package 3
PAR200A NAV/COM	$2,300
Sandia STX 165 Transponder	$1,628
ACK 30.5 Encoder	$213
NavWorx ADS600-EXP ADS-B	$1,819
iLevil Sport	$772
Avionics Bus	$50
	$6,782
Package 4
PAR200A NAV/COM	$2,300
Sandia STX 165 Transponder	$1,628
ACK 30.5 Encoder	$213
SkyGuardTWX Vision-Pro Plus ADS-B	$1,899
GARMIN GA 35 TSO'D WAAS GPS ANTENNA	$309
Delta POP 978 MHZ UAT Antenna (2)	$140
RAMI AV-22 TRANSPONDER ANTENNA	$65
Avionics Bus	$50
	$6,604

Ought to be flying instead of posting.

2/2/2016 4:22 PM

RONSIM

Joined: 11/3/2010

Posts: 98

Re: Bare Panel, what would you do?

Bruce ---IMHO I do not believe Pkg 2 or 4 will give you 2020 compliant ADS-B. I know the Skyguard is not currently 2020 compliant. I am not familiar with the Sandia 360, but unless it meets (not necessarily have) TSO requirements for a position source and altitude reporting, it won't be compliant. The Navworx unit includes a WAAS GPS position source. That Lynx unit really looks good, but a really big hunk of AMUs (aviation monetary unit -- 1 AMU = $1000.00).

Ron

2/2/2016 7:28 PM

Oliver

Joined: 5/26/2014

Posts: 30

Re: Bare Panel, what would you do?

Stratus plans to launch the ESG 'this spring'. The ESG is a 2020 compliant transponder with built in ADS-B out and WAAS-GPS. Sporty's accepts pre-orders, MSRP is $3,499.
https://www.appareo.com/aviation/stratus-esg/

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