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2/15/2018 8:42 PM
 

I would see the glide circle as something that comes up when you hit the NRST tab at the bottom of the screen, and then the red emergency triangle button in the upper right of the box that pops up.  Or maybe it would be an option you set to say you want it on all the time (which I might) or only when you hit the emergency triangle button.

Right now, when you define an aircraft to iFly, you specify what the glide ratio is.  So knowing that and your altitude, the software can easily calculate your theoretical glide distance. 

That's what it does when you hit NRST and then the red triangle.  It colors the nearest airports red, yellow, or green based on whether you can glide there (theoretically).  That's why I find it frustrating that they won't provide a simple optional theoretical glide ring around the aircraft.  They're already providing a theoretical glide indicator in that box now.  Yeah, if you want to be perfect you'd take into account terrain and winds aloft, blah blah, but I'm pretty sure they're not doing that now when they color the airports.  So, what's the diff?


Powrachute PC 2000; Aventura II; Cherokee 180
 
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2/16/2018 8:54 AM
 

Greg

 

You are correct!

My group of flyers practice engine off ACCURACY landings each month at one of our many dry lakes here in Southern California.

We shut the engine down on downwind and after some practice can touch down within 50 feet plus or minus.

We do a lot of back country flying where there are few outs when the engine goes silent so we need to keep sharp.

I have done several WINGS presentations at EAA chapters. This next Tuesday I will present at EAA Chapter one at Flabob Airport here in SoCal. If you are in the area you should attend.

When we train for our Private the instructor typically has us set to idle and set up for touch down. The prop has thrust at idle and the pilot knows if he/she goofs up you just bale out with power.

BIG difference with no power. Our practice sessions build confidence so that if the engine goes silent the pilot maintains a calm that would not be available if he/she never practiced.

Better to have a skill you don't need than to need a skill you don't have.

 

John M

 
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2/16/2018 9:05 AM
 

Hook

There is a nav app that does give a glide circle. This circle is not concentric because it does account for terrain and winds. I question the accuracy since knowing the winds at various altitudes is a hard call.

On my Dynon D10 I can see wind direction and speeds and as I descend both the wind speed and direction change..

I can remember the free Nav app I used...maybe Avare or Naviator..that gave glide ratio. It was pretty good as I recall and I used to experiment with it by trying different glide speeds at idle.

John M

 
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2/16/2018 10:15 AM
 
Yeah, it's impossible to know whether the wind will decrease or increase while you're gliding down in a forced landing. But, unless I'm missing something, I don't see why iFly would need to know what the wind speed is. (At least, not for some cases. See below.) It has your GPS GS and, with PA info from a Stratux, can calculate your vertical speed pretty accurately. (More accurately than it currently does with GPS altitude.) Isn't that enough to give a rough idea of how far you can glide as you descend? I mean, already the Vertical Profile Window kinda does that, in the sense that it shows you where you would hit the ground given your current speed and descent rate. So it seems like the code is mostly there. All that iFly would have to do in an Emergency situation is calculate more directional points so as to get a foci of points for the 2D Map, given your current GS and VS.

I can see that, if the winds are out of the west, and you're heading east, the current predictor would be fairly accurate for points east, but would be way off if you turned west. So maybe the circle should be fuzzed out in opposite directions? Or show green in the direction of travel, yellow where the wind/GS is unknown?

Or maybe easiest, just underestimate how far you can glide by 80% and call it good enough. I mean, the feature is supposed to be an aid, to give you an idea of what is makable. Not a guarantee.
 
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2/16/2018 5:29 PM
 

I agree with you EMike.  Just underestimate the size of the circle and call it good.  It's just theoretical, just a visual on the map to aid in making a decision under pressure.  They already WAY underestimate in their red/yellow/green coloring of the airports you get with NRST (which I pointed out over a year ago based on testing).  Come to think of it, their underestimation probably was around 20%.

This also goes back to my complaint about the blackness of the development pipeline.  Is anyone at AP considering doing this glide circle?  Who knows?  We make suggestions and don't know if they're being considered or discarded.  Is there some hidden criteria a suggestion has to meet?  For this particular suggestion, is liability an issue?  I suggested a first-use-of-feature popup window where the user would have to acknowledge that the glide circle is only an estimate and may be incorrect due to several factors.


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