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6/14/2020 12:21 AM
 

New user here. I tried to search but didn't have any luck so sorry if this has been covered already. I've been using ifly on Android for a few weeks and have had an experience that was embarrassing and has shaken my faith in the product.

While helping my nefiew prepare for his PPL practical I noticed the moa north of lamar Colorado didn't look right and didn't match up with any current maps or his foreflight. I finally figured out it was on the WAC chart that hasn't been updated for 5 years as they are discontinued. Why is this even on there?

Worse yet the workaround I found to force the sectional means it won't switch to TAC when I zoom in. Is this app no longer being supported or updated. I have already paid for a year but I'd rather move on to something else if I think I am flying around with current charts when they are 5 years old.

Thanks for your help.

 

 
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6/14/2020 8:44 AM
 

Backcountrypilot,

Greetings and welcome to the iFly forum! It is great you are helping out a young pilot earn their PPL! Way to go!  I think iFly is a very good tool to use to help teach flight planning, after they have done it by hand on a real chart...just in case!

Your question is a good one and has been asked a few times, with various comments over the years. 

The WAC Chart, or World Aeronautical Charts aka, "Wide Area Chart," is just that - a broad overview chart to plan longer-than-usual cross country flights. I was sad to see them go, as I always kept them in my plane for planning. They are especially good when getting around large bands of weather on a long cross country.

iFly knows the charts they are showing are indeed technically "obsolete" but many of us (including me) strongly believe they serve a good purpose in long-cross-country planning.  The last update to these was at or around 2015, when the FAA decided to cease updating them.

For example, I just planned a X-C to Florida from Pennsylvania...I put in my airport and the destination on the WAC to see what it looks like, and try to AVOID the major areas of open ocean, large mountain ranges, and Class B (large airports like Atlanta, etc.) with rest stops every 225 miles.  The WAC is perfect for this type planning. Or, for those going to OSH from the east, who do not want to fly over the Great Lakes, etc.  The WAC gives us a broader perspective of the features  - that is really all.  

I then go into the updated and current SECTIONALS (by simply drilling down) to do detailed leg planning, and avoid SUA's MOA's, R-AREAS, P-AREAS, etc.  Sounds like you did that as well, which is the right thing to do.  Now that you know this, you can skip using the WAC and go right to the SECTIONALS for planning if that is your personal preference. 

BTW, there is actually a chart that is of LARGER scale than the WAC, and that is the GNC-A (for all of the CONUS) or even bigger, the GNC charts...usually so broad they are of little value to us (mostly for transcontinental flying or oceanic flying).

Hopefully, iFly has no plans to discontinue the WAC perspectives for wide-area-planning as many of us value them.

Again, thanks for checking in and asking this good question. Hope your nephew gets his PPL soon!

Regards, Mike N714AJ

 

 
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6/14/2020 10:21 AM
 

Thanks for the explanation Mike,

I get that the outdated WAC charts still have value as a big picture representation.  My only issue I really don't want to be looking at outdated information while flying at a reasonable zoom level. Any way to adjust when it switches from sectional to WAC without excluding the TAC?

My nefiew did his planning on paper and I followed along with ifly so I could learn the app at the same time. It's been fun going through it with him and it's really pushed me to get back into flying more for the fun of it. I just bought a Cherokee six and hope to take some fun trips with the family and get my own kids behind the yoke and spark some interest with them.

Ash

 

 
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6/14/2020 11:18 AM
 

I'd like a choice of showing / hiding WACs. Sometimes I want the lower-info WAC charts, and sometimes I want to be sure I'm looking at the Sectionals without having to click on the Select Map button and make a further choice when I'm in a hurry. (Is hurry allowed in iFly? I don't mean that as a snarky remark, just curious about the philosophy.) I guess the Sectional gets displayed when you zoom in beyond the WAC threshold, but I don't always do that.

 
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6/14/2020 11:50 AM
 

Ash, Don,

For me (I have the app on a tablet) I simply hit the "+" button on the map and it zooms to sectionals -- perhaps mine is different, but this seems to be a simple step...again, you may have the all-in-one 740 system you buy from iFly, and it may behave differently. Hard to say as you can personalize so much of this system, which is what I really like about it!

I totally understand why many aviators (here on this site) prefer not to have any obsolete information on the system, but to me, this is like having a globe in your home of office - not to navigate from, but to orient yourself to the wider environment to do macro planning. (Globes would have to change every year if we tried to keep them up to date, but they are still usefull for many purposes.) Often, having the big-picture allows us to better define the close-in navigation challenge. Just another opinion in the great "raptor pit" of aviation dialog!

Thanks for everyone's perspectives - they are all intersting and valuable to me.

Mike N714AJ

 
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