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5/23/2018 3:53 PM
 
Mark Kolber wrote:
Since updates were brought up...

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One is to update only charts which have changed. Less to update = increased speed.
Another is to permit updates early
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If iFly does either of these, I'm ignorant about it. 

iFly does only update charts that have changed.  You can tell this because if you update frequently, you will notice dramatic differences in update package sizes.  (If you update infrequently, you may be more consistently seeing that "everything" needs to be updated.)

Walter has previously addressed the limitations AP faces in getting updated data out any earlier than they do.  Doesn't seem likely that will get much better.  (Though I'm scratching my head how downloading updated data 5 days before expiration vs. 3 days before expiration makes the update process any faster.)

 
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5/24/2018 6:39 AM
 
Thanks Cobra. I wasnt aware it did that. Seems it takes substantially longer than my other EFBs, even though I update pretty much as soon as an update is available. Maybe a day or two later.
 
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5/24/2018 7:01 AM
 

I don't have any other EFBs, so have nothing to compare it to.  I only have a few states routinely selected (though one is Texas, which takes way longer than the states adjacent to it), and the updates typically take me ~7-10 minutes.  If I go a long time between updates, or take a cross-country that adds several states to my package, then that can drive the time up to 15-20 min.

The bits that seem to take the longest are the first few things that get downloaded:  Weather, software updates (only happen occasionally for production, but are frequent for beta testers), and maybe something else...aviation databases, perhaps?  These take a lot of time because they involve a bunch of small files, and something about that part of the process takes time (I'm not sure if it's just the process of printing all the filenames to the screen for status reporting that slows it down, or actually extracting/moving those files that takes time, or if each individual file is getting downloaded separately, or what).  Regardless, the "average download speed" number plummets during that part of the process (can get as low as 100-300 kps), and the projected time to complete the download looks scary big. 

However, I've learned not to panic and to wait until it gets through that part before believing the time predictions.  Once the process gets past that slow stuff at the beginning and on to downloading the charts and plates that make up the bulk of the download, the average download speed ramps up dramatically (usually 2000-3500 kps), and stays that way through completion.

If you are routinely downloading all possible data, then that can take a long time, especially if you have an IFR subscription.  I learned a long time ago that dropping off Alaska, the Pacific Territories, and about 40+ states that I'm not planning to fly to anytime soon can save a lot of download time!

 
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5/24/2018 8:39 AM
 
Mark Kolber wrote:
Since updates were brought up...

I'm a multiple EFB user. Some is for instructional purposes; others a mater of personal likes (and that I'm an EFB geek). At this point, iFly (both iOS and Android) is among the slowest in applying updates. I don't mean timeliness; I mean the speed of the process. (FlyQ is amazingly fast - it often surprises me). There are a few things I've seen some of them do which I think helps.

One is to update only charts which have changed. Less to update = increased speed.

Another is to permit updates early, retaining two sets of data, the older of which auto-deletes on the transition date - that allows me to update when the data is available but still fly on current information both before and after the transition date.

If iFly does either of these, I'm ignorant about it. If it doesn't, any chance of that being in the queue?

Mark, I also use Garmin Pilot (because in some ways it's a useful complement to iFly) and have noticed that it acquires updates in less time than iFly does. There's almost no lag when Pilot starts downloading an update; with iFly, on the other hand, there's almost always a noticeable lag before the server starts sending data. (Maybe Garmin has a more expensive connection to the Net, or a faster server.)  In any case, data updates for Pilot always go much quicker than for iFly

I wondered if Garmin's maps might be more compact that iFly's--but the data on my iPhone suggests exactly the opposite:

  App Size Docs & Data
Pilot 136 MB  5.14 GB
iFly 86.8 MB 2.83 GB

 

Pilot seems to be bloatware. But I can't explain the huge difference in data--I have more hi-res sectional charts for iFly than for Pilot. Pilot's charts cover more of the world, but not with sectionals (which are available, but cost more).

On my iPhone, when I zoom in on an area for which I haven't already downloaded hi-res sectionals, Pilot automatically downloads hi-res maps.  iFly presents a dialog request: "Download Map Data Now?" I appreciate being asked--but when I'm connected via wi-fi, it seems unnecessarily polite.

In any case, now that I've paid attention to the data report, I'm going to download more maps for iFly.

 
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