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6/17/2018 5:14 PM
 
Hook wrote:

You are incorrect about ADS-B In, and I hope you haven't been relying on it in your aircraft if you don't have ADS-B Out installed. Read up on it. If you have ADS-B Out, then you have transmitted to you taffic and weather within a "hockey puck" around your aircraft. If you do not have ADS-B Out, then any traffic or weather you are receiving is by happenstance. It's because another aircraft around you is transmitting ADS-B Out and you are receiving a portion of his/her hockey puck. Though, you are receiving any direct ADS-B Out info from other aircraft that are transmitting -- if you are in range and have the input antenna(s) for the type of ADS-B out they're transmitting. (Which most receivers provide an input antenna for both kinds.) But again, you will not trigger the ADS-B tower to send you weather info, or traffic info for aircraft around you that do not have ADS-B Out in their aircraft, if you are not transmitting ADS-B Out yourself.

This is by design by the FAA. They want everyone (but will settle for most) to have ADS-B Out by end of next year per regulation (the stick), but offered a carrot with traffic/weather over ADS-B In -- for those who installed ADS-B Out. Trouble is, everyone's been freeloading the carrot without consideration of the limitation of what they're receiving if they don't have ADS-B Out. Which is dangerous. If you don't have ADS-B Out, then odds are great that you are not receiving the complete picture of traffic or weather around you.


No, you are WRONG. ADS-B out is needed to trigger the ground station for traffic, not for weather. Perhaps YOU need to learn how ADS-B works and not lecture me.
 
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6/17/2018 5:51 PM
 

I am researching what you say now.  You may be right, and if so, I'll say so.  If you have any links to references that address whether weather is transmitted to non-ADS-B Out aircraft that would be helpful. So far, what I've read either glosses over the subject, or supports what I said.  For instance this quote: "The system will show detailed regional radar imagery within 250NM of your current position, and is updated every 5 minutes."  But I'm fully prepared to admit I my have had an incomplete understanding regarding FIS-B.

Edit: at https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/programs/adsb/pilot/ they don't say it directly, but by omission it's implied that unlike TIS-B (traffic) where you have to be a "client" by transmitting ADS-B Out, they don't say you have to be a client of any kind to receive FIS-B (weather and other information).  So, I think now that you are correct and that I made an incorrect presumption that I knew more than you.  I was however concerned for your safety (and anyone else relying on ADS-B In without Out), and that's where I was coming from.  And in regards to traffic, what I was saying was correct.

I would still like to hear from iFly staff on my questions, when one of you gets a minute.


Powrachute PC 2000; Aventura II; Cherokee 180
 
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6/17/2018 6:32 PM
 
 
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6/17/2018 6:36 PM
 

I had already looked at that page.  I can't see where it addresses whether you have to be (or not) transmitting ADS-B Out to receive weather.  But I did find an FAA page (see my post above) that seems to indicate that you were correct.


Powrachute PC 2000; Aventura II; Cherokee 180
 
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6/17/2018 6:44 PM
 

There can be as much as 20 minutes delay in Nexrad images displayed via ADS-B.  I would not use it for thunderstorm avoidance except for deviation well in advance.

 
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