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8/15/2017 7:32 PM
 
greg p wrote:

I fly regularly out a Mode C Veil. Both Tampa and Orlando have their own Mode C Veil. That is the Only airspace that ADS-B is mandated.

That's around Class B airspace, not Class C.
 
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8/15/2017 8:01 PM
 

So, in summary, beginning 1/1/2020 you will need ADS-B out:

In Class A (1090 Mhz)

In Class B and C

Within 30 NM of primary Class B airport up to 10,000 MSL

Above Class B and Class C up to 10,000 MSL

At or above 10,000 MSL except at or below 2,500 AGL

In Class E below 3000 MSL over Gulf Of Mexico out to 12 NM

 
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8/15/2017 8:04 PM
 

Thanks Tim,

Appreciate you posting that FAR - we are all better informed because of it.

Here in the NE of the USA, only the Class B's have the 30nm veils - but they are enormous. When you lump together DC, BWI and get near Philly and NYC, it is nearly one gigantic NO FLY area if you do not have adsb. 

In many ways, this will CREATE mid-air hazards as there ARE a few areas where the Class C veils do not connect, meaning there are narrow corridors where non-adbs planes will funnel....almost like the VFR corridors of old we used to have near major cities - and smaller planes will flock to them when going cross country.  Ironically, this may result in MORE mid-airs or near mid-airs.

In my case, I will have to WAIT for the price to somehow come down into a range that is affordable for me and that makes economic sense for my humble (but paid for) certified airplane. Please do not laugh, but I am thinking the $2,000 range (total) would be what "affordable" means to me and my circle of blue-collar pilots.

Thanks again for the great discussion.  BTW, I am in contact with my friends at 2W2 (Clearview Airport) in MD, which is JUST inside the adsb veil - they are very concerned about the effects of the veil as it will keep most of their customers OUT. Since the field is 1800 by 30 and is on an incline surrounded by 50-60 foot trees, it attracts only small airplanes - the ones where installing adsb out makes little economic sense.  I can foresee places like this closing, unless something radical is done to enable us "little guys" with the device or some sort of waiver....

Gents, we have an issue that affects not just a few pilots, but the general aviation enterprise of the northeast. 

Fewer airports means fewer planes means less planes to buy fuel means fewer and fewer viable airports!  I saw this "death spiral" in Europe with general aviation - I only hope I do not live long enough to see it here, too.

Mike Marra, N94

 

 
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8/15/2017 8:06 PM
 

That's correct. They are both Class B airports. Mode C does not designate the airspace. It's where a mode c transponder is required. Just like where ADS-B will be required come 2020. Not sure what will happen to transponders after then. Do you or anybody else know?

 
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8/15/2017 8:09 PM
 

I am quite confident there will be plenty of inexpensive ADS-B OUT units available.  This is the same wringing of hands that happened with mode C transponders.  If I owned an airplane with an electrical system, I would find the money for ADS-B out.  I think most will.

 
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