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10/22/2012 1:27 PM
 

Greg,

Very good points.

Correct me if I am wrong, you would want to use "pressure altitude', not GPS altitude, especially when in the hands of ATC control. You could get into trouble by using GPS Altitude versus Pressure. Alerting at GPS Altitude would not be the best practice.

The iFly is a portable GPS that is to be used as supplementation, not primary navigation, especially IFR. Some of these features are possible, but would promote IFR and worst case IMC navigation on a non-certified device.

Please understand we want to add viable features and many of these very well are, we just have to be careful not to steer pilots into a questionable behavior. I hope this helps.


Shane Woodson
Vice President | Adventure Pilot LLC.
 
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10/22/2012 1:45 PM
 

Perhaps the GPS altitude could be disabled whenever using the Insturment Plate mode, or when next fix/target altitude boxes are used. That would allow the IFR pilots to use the iFly to display the plate, arrange their next fix, and target altitude boxes in their chosen places, and they wouldn't be able to mistakenly use a GPS altitude instead of a pressure derived altitude.

 
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10/22/2012 1:53 PM
 

I hadn't taken it to that level although I do have the VST alarm turned off completely and I do not show either the actual (GPS) altitude or VST instruments in the group I created for Plates.

The iFly actually stores the 'plan altitudes' for a waypoint. My suggestion was to have a smart instrument that only changed to the target waypoint plan altitude upon reaching the TOD (top of descent) calculated based on the aircraft profile (this currently appears as a little black dot on the course line) to get me to the target altitude for the next waypoint by the time it is reached. Adequate to support my vertical flight planning and terrain avoidance.

If you go to the trouble of setting up a flight plan based upon an approach, whether that would result in a chop-and-drop or a steady descent rate between fixes I hadn't thought about (I suppose if you set a lower descent rate and it would switch earlier,higer descent rate more of a chop-and-drop).

I have experimented a couple of times with creating flight plans based on plates but inevitably I'll be coming from a direction that gets me closer to some waypoint on the plan than another and the thing will change waypoints on me due to the iFly's tendency to guess what waypoint is next based on relative poisition rather than waiting until I got within 'x' miles of the target point regardless. For example I'm coming from north of the airport for an approach to Runway 5, so as soon as I get anywhere near the airport (which I intend to overfly) and keep going the iFly immedaitely switches my target waypoint to the airport so all that flight plan entry is wasted at that point anyway.

In summary, the iFly isn't an IFR GPS and I'm very content with just using the IAF as the last waypoint on my flightplan then pulling up the plate to follow along on the video game (for situational awareness).

Perhaps this should be a separate wish-list item but still it does bring back up the issue of having the option to choose between the current 'waypoint guess' logic and the more traditional 'don't switch the waypoint until I get within 'x' miles of it regardless of which one I'm closest too (I think that's much more doable now that we have the 'direct to' button on the flight plan lines). Anyone have thoughts on that one?

 
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10/22/2012 2:12 PM
 
Shane wrote:

Greg,

Very good points.

Correct me if I am wrong, you would want to use "pressure altitude', not GPS altitude, especially when in the hands of ATC control. You could get into trouble by using GPS Altitude versus Pressure. Alerting at GPS Altitude would not be the best practice.

The iFly is a portable GPS that is to be used as supplementation, not primary navigation, especially IFR. Some of these features are possible, but would promote IFR and worst case IMC navigation on a non-certified device.

Please understand we want to add viable features and many of these very well are, we just have to be careful not to steer pilots into a questionable behavior. I hope this helps.

Correct, we only use pressure altitude (not GPS Altitude) in this case it is the published altitude on the IFR Approach Plate..... The altitude box feature I am asking for (in the IFR Plate Case) would be an alert that I have just crossed an IFR fix and the altitude box would show the step down altitude that I manually put in to remind me what my new step down altitude is at this time having just passed the fix.

This is an aid in situational awareness in single pilot ifr.

BUT...... I understand your point about this being a portable unauthorized IFR device. Maybe we should not do this type of improvement, even thought it would be very nice, if we rely on it we could get into trouble with it.

Every IFR pilot knows this can not be used at any point in an approach from a legal standpoint, but if it always works, may get too comfortable and depend on it.

In fact, even having geocoded IFR Approach Plates is a double edged sword on this device.

 
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