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9/18/2018 7:00 PM
 
Mike D. wrote:

"Wouldn’t it be just as easy to have family follow you on on of the flight tracking sites like Flight Aware, once we all have ADS-B out?"

Yes..........if we all have ADS-B out such a feature as I suggest would be in at least one other way unnecessary as we could just use flight following and count on them knowing if we're in trouble.

But .... (1) ADS-B out is still costly for low budget fliers like myself, and since I never intend to fly into airspace above class-D not likely to get it in the forseeable future, and (2) That requires having a savvy family member actively involved in accessing a site like Flight Aware.

While it’s not an FAA rule, AFAIK it’s against FCC rules to use cell phones in flight. I understand they don’t seem to be actively enforcing, but they may take action if a corporation were to start a service that relied on customers making a call every ten minutes for hours on end."

 

Hummm? Are we not all violatating that FCC rule (BTW there's some argument that it's been misinterpreted) every time we fly with iFly in our cellular enabled iPad or Android every time iFly picks up new nextrad info via our cellular connection? And in fact during the entire flight if we have not turned off our cellular data and it automatically connects to the internet via a cell tower we're within range of?  If so we're already on a large scale in violation. I sort of doubt the very low cellular bandwidth use that sending even one hundred emails with flight location (those would be tiny blips of data compared to even one kid somewhere watching 1 minute of youtube over cellular data.)

 

Alex

 

 
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9/18/2018 7:09 PM
 
Hook wrote:

"I agree that there are alternatives that a Google search, or a search of the app stores can easily provide...." 

I'd love to see some good alternatives. Any suggestions? Last time I checked there were none that seemed useful. And none that would report all the useful info that iFly has (not just position, but speed, heading, altitude, ETA, AGL.)

Even the dedicated pay-significant-fees-for-subscription hardware trackers such as In-Reach seem more designed for hikers and IIRR don't transmitt things such as speed, heading, etc. Just location and time of location..

Still think if iFly did what I ask it would be a real value-added feature and safety feature. Even a sellable upgrade.

Alex

 

 
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9/18/2018 8:09 PM
 
You should turn off your cellular device or put it in airplane mode before takeoff. If you don't, you are in violation of federal law. In the air, iFly uses ads-b, not cellular for it's data source.
 
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9/18/2018 9:04 PM
 

> Hummm? Are we not all violatating that FCC rule (BTW there's some argument that it's been misinterpreted) every time we fly with iFly in our cellular enabled iPad or Android every time iFly picks up new nextrad info via our cellular connection? And in fact during the entire flight if we have not turned off our cellular data and it automatically connects to the internet via a cell tower we're within range of?  If so we're already on a large scale in violation. I sort of doubt the very low cellular bandwidth use that sending even one hundred emails with flight location (those would be tiny blips of data compared to even one kid somewhere watching 1 minute of youtube over cellular data.) <

 

This is all true, but the difference is that iFly doesn't base anything on you using cell data while in flight.  While folks may do it, the iFly model is to use ADS-B data to provide weather and traffic.  Similarly I would imagine that a lot of folks still have their phones on in flight, both purposely and accidentally.  The FAA/FCC doesn't go after them, but I'd bet they'd go after a company that had a corporate plan/feature that relied on airline customers using cell phone data in flight.

 

> (those would be tiny blips of data compared to even one kid somewhere watching 1 minute of youtube over cellular data.) <

As I understand it, the concern isn't the amount of data used, it's the fact that when airborne, our phones access far more cell towers simultaneously than they do while on the ground.  When that many cell towers see the same phone, it somehow confuses, or overloads the system, or at least has the potential to do that. 

 
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9/19/2018 10:13 AM
 
greg p wrote:

I haven't seen that kind of reliability. Recently, on a 13 hour round trip, using flight following and ads-b out, I saw the track of my flight on FA. Only 3 minutes of the final approach appeared while arriving at my home airport. 

I would like to use it for tracking, however in the past year (since installing ads-b out), only 2 flights have appeared. The other one was 6 minutes of a flight. And yes, I have "Position only flights" selected. 

Good data point.  I should definitely have included a "YMMV" disclaimer.  I've seen a substantial improvement in FA's VFR tracking over the years, but VFR is a relatively small fraction of my flying, I'm just one plane, and I only fly VFR in a pretty small geographic area.

Regardless, the point that "if FA has they data, they share it freely" still holds.  It's just a question of whether they have the data.

 
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