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8/16/2015 8:55 PM
 
Cobra wrote:
Vaughn Simon wrote:
OldPilot wrote:

Usage of cell phones in airplanes is illegal in the US. .



That's an often repeated bit of misinformation, but the only actual FCC prohibition that I can find applies only to the original 800 MHZ cell phone frequencies. Even if it were true, a hot spot is arguably not a cell phone.


Not misinformation, but rather Federal law.

From http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?...

§22.925 Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones.


Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes, balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular telephone installed in any aircraft:

“The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA regulations.”

When that law was enacted, there was no such thing as a hot spot. Had there been, I'm sure the intent would have been to constrain its use as well, as the technical issue is the airborne device's signal hitting multiple towers on the ground and causing network confusion. I'm no lawyer, so I don't know how this would play out in court, but I suspect you'd have to go there to find out the answer.



Respectfully sir, the above is misinformation, unless you are talking about a very old cellphone. (The kind that had antennas sticking out the top.)

FCC regulations are even more arcane than the FAR's. Just like in the Bible, be very careful of taking words out of context. So if you look at the full contest of the above regulation (From Part 22), you will see that the frequencies of "Cellular Service" are defined as:

§22.905 Channels for cellular service.

The following frequency bands are allocated for assignment to service providers in the Cellular Radiotelephone Service.

(a) Channel Block A: 869-880 MHz paired with 824-835 MHz, and 890-891.5 MHz paired with 845-846.5 MHz.

(b) Channel Block B: 880-890 MHz paired with 835-845 MHz, and 891.5-894 MHz paired with 846.5-849 MHz.

[67 FR 77191, Dec. 17, 2002]

But that is NOT the frequency range that today's wireless phones operate on. Today's phones are digital and operate on higher frequencies, that are regulated by another part (I believe Part 27) of the FCC regulations. If you find any prohibition of airborne operation in the GSM frequency bands, I would like to hear about it.


Vaughn Simon Nexus 7 with Dual XGPS170
 
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8/16/2015 9:11 PM
 

This looks pretty current:

ELECTRONIC CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

e-CFR data is current as of August 13, 2015

Title 47Chapter ISubchapter BPart 22Subpart H → §22.925


Title 47: Telecommunication
PART 22—PUBLIC MOBILE SERVICES
Subpart H—Cellular Radiotelephone Service


§22.925 Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones.

Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes, balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular telephone installed in any aircraft:

“The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA regulations.”

Maybe you can post the CFR that says they are legal.

 
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8/17/2015 7:29 AM
 


OK Old Pilot et all, this is getting a bit silly. You couldn't possibly have read what I wrote. Please go back and do that, and then:

1) Take a look at the entire cfr 22.9 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/part-22/subpart-H

a) Then note it's scope: "The rules in this subpart govern the licensing and operation of cellular radiotelephone systems "
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/22.900
b) Then note the frequency range for "Cellular Radiotelephone Systems" https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/22.905
"The following frequency bands are allocated for assignment to service providers in the Cellular Radiotelephone Service."

"(a) Channel Block A: 869-880 MHz paired with 824-835 MHz, and 890-891.5 MHz paired with 845-846.5 MHz."

"(b) Channel Block B: 880-890 MHz paired with 835-845 MHz, and 891.5-894 MHz paired with 846.5-849 MHz. "

2) Now please call your wireless phone provider and ask what frequency range your phone is using. It's very unlikely to be in that range. Why? Because the phones we use today are mostly CDMA or GSM and are controlled by another part of FCC regulations.

Just like in the FARS, you can't just pluck words from context. Where words come from is important.

If I haven't convinced you, then OK. You may go the rest of your life using your hot spot and wireless phone only on the ground. (They work best there anyhow) But I hope that I have at least planted enough doubt in your mind that you stop spreading misinformation to others.

This will be my last contribution to this thread.

Respectfully,
Vaughn

Vaughn Simon Nexus 7 with Dual XGPS170
 
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