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6/5/2015 7:46 PM
 

I thought that I should share my learnings regarding the Dual XGPS170 with other fellow iFly users.

The GPS come with a charger for the cigarette lighter, an USB cable and an anti-skid rubber sleve. Setup is super easy – screw in the antenna, select whether you have an Apple or some other device, turn it on and connect it via Bluetooth. That's it.
So far I used it only on on a flight from 1D2 Canton-Plymouth-Mettetal (close to Detroit) to KOZW Livingston and back. On the way to Livingston the GPS reception was rock solid and the ADS-B data started to come in as soon as I was a few hundred feet above the ground. We received ADS-B data all the way to Livingston. On the way back, the XGPS170's GPS reception was again stable, the ADS-B light flickered (this means that it receives ADS-B data), the iFly app on my Android table however warned me that no ADS-B tower is within range.
I figured, that before I take any other steps to figure out what is going on, I should update the firmware. Well, easier said than done: According to Dual’s technical support, the Dual XGPS170 can currently only be updated through an iPad app (no, iPhone will not work)! As I only have an iPhone, besides of my Android product, I was therefore not immediately able to update the device. With a borrowed iPad, I finally managed to update the GPS, I hope that this solved the instability issue.
The other thing is that it only indicates that the battery is fully charged (light turns from red to green) when an full size (according to the tech support) iPad charger is used. With all of my Android or generic USB chargers, including two different tablet chargers, the GPS gets charged, but the LED never turns green.
When I connected it to the iDevice charger, after it was connected to a generic charger for multiple hours, the LED turned immediately green. Going back to the generic charger it turned and stayed red again. Obviously, the GPS gets fully charged with a non-iDevice charger, but fails to recognize its own status.
On one hand, this is not a too big of a deal, on the other hand it makes one wonder about the quality of engineering and testing that went into it. When I am on longer trips, I also usually take only a universal 4-socket USB charger with me, even though I have more than 4 devices which need to be charged by USB. To be able to see when a device is full and can be removed, so that the socket can be used for something else, makes life on such trips a lot easier.
Now, I am not saying that one should stay away from this device, because it seems to be well built and because there are not too many alternatives in this price range, which also come with other restrictions (e. g. Garmin only works with Garmin). I believe however, that one should be aware of the XGPS170’s limitations, particularly if somebody does not have access to an iPad.
Regards,
Oliver
 
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6/8/2015 9:03 AM
 

Regarding charging the XGPS 170: They call out the need for a 2amp+ charging source. Many phone chargers are only 1amp.

http://gps.dualav.com/faq/xgps170/

-Walter


Walter Boyd
President, Adventure Pilot
 
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6/8/2015 11:31 AM
 

I sold my XGPS170 on Ebay and bought a SkyGuard transceiver. I didn't like the sketchy traffic with only ADS-B in.

 
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6/8/2015 9:11 PM
 

@Walter:

I think that it is not only the power output.
Amongst other chargers which provide more than 2 amps, I own this one:
http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-Travel-Charger-Android-Devices/dp/B00FCM83MS%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJ3MJJTVG7MAVJ7DA%26tag%3Dmobimor-20%26linkCode%3Dsp1%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00FCM83MS

It makes a total of 4 amps and has 4 USB socket. If I remember the user manual correctly, each of the 2 USB sockets in the center makes 2.4 or 2.5 amps. One of them is however marked as 'Universal', the other as 'iDevice'. Now, when I connect the XGPS170 to the the universal connector, the charging LED never turns green. If I then connect it to the iDevice connector, it however turns green immediately, what I see as evidence that it was actually already fully charged.

I don't know what is different with 'iDevice' chargers, but it is obviously more than just the power output. I also have an e-mail from the DUAL service in which they inform me that only a full size iPad charger will cause the XGPS170 to eventually indicate that it is fully charged.

I don't want to bash too much on DUAL and can actually live with this flaw. Still, though I find it a bit frustrating that they mentioned nowhere that only with an iPad the device can be used withhout limitations. This is also the very first device, that got into my hands, which shows this weird charging behaviour.

@OldPilot

I have to admit that I also found the traffic reporting on my first flights with the XGPS170 rather disappointing. Saturday, for example, we flew in an area just about 30 - 50 nm north of Detroit. Of all the traffic we saw and / or ATC informed us about, only every 3rd or 4th plane was also shown in iFly, even though I set the traffic radar to a range of 20nm. We also had a few shockers, when iFly showed at 2 or 3 occations an alarm that another aircraft would be only 0.1 nm away from us. It turned out, that it was just a ghost signal, even though I had the 'filter ghost signals' setting activated.

I also thought about the SkyGuard, but have some concerns that it might eventually not become certified. I also did not like to have all the cables hanging around. The idea was therefore, to get weather and TFRs, as well as the traffic around the busier airspaces through a portable device and to later get a certified in / out device, when the market has somewhat settled. A transponder with an integrated ADS-B in / out funktion and a WiFi or bluetooth interface would be the best solution, from my perspective. AFAIK, the Lynx transponder is however currently the only one which offerrs this functionality. Others only offer ADS-B out, like the Garmin 330ES, the Bendix / King KT74 or the Trig TT31.

I think I'll keep the DUAL for the next few months, see how it goes with it and then decide about what to do.

 
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