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3/27/2013 8:11 PM
 
Thanks Shane. After thinking about it I thought I might go ahead and get the antenna and try it. I see though it comes with a 16' cable. That seems excessive. I think for use in most cockpits, 4 - 6' would be enough. Any extra would leave a big bundle of excess wire to deal with (as well as the extra signal loss). Can these be ordered with a shorter cable?
 
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3/28/2013 8:04 AM
 

RE: Antenna cable shortened

I use my iFly 720 on a custom kneeboard in portrait mode. I fly a CH701 with center control stick, so I fasten the kneeboard to my left knee. In this position normal satellite reception iis poor to fair, so i use an external antenna. I shortened the cable on an old Garmin external antenna to minimize clutter. Since attaching a MCX connector requires tools I don't have, I simply attached a BNC connector to the shortened Garmin cable which mates to a BNC to MCX adapter...works very well, locks on as I roll out of the hangar. See attached snapshot.

Regards, Ted/Zenair

 
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3/28/2013 10:00 AM
 

Rich,

You shouldn't really see any signal loss, our antenna is amplified and matched to the device. The reason it is long is so you can route it to a rear window or such to get it away from any panel interference possibility. I've used on for testing on my panel and got no interference. Other guys with experimental aircraft like to put the iFly on their panel and run the ext antenna to the back so the antenna is behind and above them.

I won't hurt to coil the unused wired up and stow it away in a glove compartment or behind the panel. I don't think I'd cut it, that would mess up the "Matched" signal optimization. They only come the one length.


Shane Woodson
Vice President | Adventure Pilot LLC.
 
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3/28/2013 10:15 PM
 
Yes, it is amplified, as with any very low power satellite signal you want to amplify it directly at the antenna to get the best possible signal to noise. The iFly unit has a similar pre-amp built into it. I assume the remote antenna uses one of the small 50ohm cables like RG-174U. This cable has a signal loss at the GPS band in the range of about 40dB per 100' of cable. So 10' is about 4dB. Add to that if you bundle up the excess cable too tightly with sharp bends, you could add impedance miss-matches that could result in higher signal loss (don't not to do that!). As with any moving receiver, the more signal into it the better (to a point) for signal fade protection.
From my experience it would be best to leave out the excess wire. 4 or 5 dB of signal strength can make you or break you in some situations. But I would need to find the MCX connector for the exact type of cable used to be correct, and these small cable connectors are very craft sensitive to install correctly and not cause a miss-match.
I will go ahead and buy an antenna and give it a try anyway :)
 
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3/29/2013 7:22 AM
 

Rich,

Very good points. It would be interesting to see if the 4% signal loss could be offset by placing the antenna farther than 5ft from the panel, thus getting it away from all the rf,static, and electro-noise a panel emits. A 5 foot cord won't allow you get far from the panel, especially if your mounting the iFly on a yoke. It really depends on your plane. I'd also keep the excess wire coiled in a loose loop, just like most of the wires under a certified panel.

You might want to plug the external antenna in and place it in different locations, use the GPS diagnostics page to see the signal strength changes and choose the best location. Just inches around a panel and metal can make a nice improvement of more than 4%. Certified externally mounted GPS antennas are typically placed far from the panel, like on the belly or back of the fuselage to improve signal and reduce the risk of interference. Just a thought. Have a great weekend.

When I mount mine, I'm putting it in the back window of my c-172. There is enough going on around the panel.


Shane Woodson
Vice President | Adventure Pilot LLC.
 
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