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9/19/2012 9:29 AM
 

Many thanks for the response, Walter.

1) Glad to hear the "Inhibit Options" is a beta thing. Don't often go to that page, so wasn't sure how long it'd been labeled that way.

2) My 720's OS version is 1.0.1.9

3,6) I understand re: weather radar delay, and was factoring that in accordingly. Several times during my flight I flew through "green" on the display and was in dry skies, or "clear" on the display and was in good rainshowers. But when you see a blob of stuff on the radar to the right, and can look out the window and see corresponding ugliness to the right, it helps give you the warm fuzzy that you're seeing the story pretty well. And if you can't see it, then the radar may be the only thing that you've got to try to keep a wide berth around the embedded stuff.

That's why it was disturbing to see the image "jitter". This wasn't simple lag/delay, this was "it's in front of me, no, it's behind me, no it's in front of me, no it's behind me". I was only glancing down at the screen occasionally, so I can't give you hard data about how long the different drawings persisted, but it was at least tens of seconds each time (so it was extremely low-frequency "jitter"!). As a guess, I might say that it drew the image correctly (in front of me) for 2-4 minutes, then drew it wrong (behind me) for 1-2 minutes, etc. This cycled at least three times. I'm not sure exactly how big the shift was in distance...maybe ~10 miles or so? Big enough that it was confusing/disturbing the first time it happened. "Hey, what's going on, how did I move so far so quickly?" Then I happened to be looking at the screen when the image got redrawn with one of those big shifts and I thought, "Oh, okay, this is a bug of some sort."

4) Ah, thank you for the reminder that the Mode>Weather label gives a clue into ADSB data reception status. That should have been where I focused my attention to get the big picture of what was causing my missing data. Thanks for the reminder.

5) I was using whatever beta had been released as of last Thursday, but I don't remember which one that was. At any rate, I never saw anything in the large window on the Connected Devices screen during my troubleshooting. The next time I'm in the plane and sure I'm getting ADSB data, I'll look at that window again and see what it's supposed to look like.

 
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9/19/2012 12:13 PM
 

Cobra, you do have an older OS but this is probably a red herring - I don't think it was actually affecting your connection. But if you want to update feel free to contact our support desk and they can help.

-Walter


Walter Boyd
President, Adventure Pilot
 
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9/19/2012 2:18 PM
 

Walter - Of course pilots will use the ADS-B info to navigate around weather... that's the point of the $1K investment to us. Understanding the designed-in delay and the limitations it presents, still makes it better than eyeballs and intuition- you can't see around wx to what's behind it, even if you are "visual". My experience flying behind radar is that it doesn't "see" behind rain very well either. ADS-B seems the best tool for that, when airborne, even given the implications of it being up to 15 minutes out-of-date.

"Long-range vs. short-range navigation" is all judgment and perception- just like the choice to be flying in wx or to make use of ADS-B in any way. I would feel better if you labeled "disclaimers" for liability purposes, if that's what you were doing, rather than us all pretending we're not investing in and using ADS-B info in this way (carefully, with caution).

Cobra -great job on the trouble-shooting and reporting. Gosh, I hope you had an autopilot for all this...

d

 
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9/19/2012 3:09 PM
 

Doug,

My statements were not CYA-related. But I think we may be on the same page. ADSB provides a new level of helpful information and can contribute to safer flying. But like balistic chutes, it can give a false sense of security that leads to poor decisions (IE, the SR22 has a horrible crash rate - many believe it's because of that parachute). Generally speaking ADSB nexrad should be used to identify a storm front in order to give it a wide berth. Pilots that use it to try and squeeze through a hole are just asking for trouble (Cobra, I'm not suggesting you we're doing that...this discussion just happened to start on your thread!)

Blue skies are best anyhow,
Walter


Walter Boyd
President, Adventure Pilot
 
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9/19/2012 5:11 PM
 

Roger blue skies. Thanks for the caution; advice taken.

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