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10/7/2020 2:05 PM
 

I have a problem trying to figure out how to plan a flight from RKP (Rockport, Tx) to TXW (formerly T65, Donna, Tx).  How in the pooh do we get around 1) Corpus Christi, then 2) all the Navy training areas without adding 93,000,000 miles of detours to get there?

Personal restrictions are 1) avoid Class C's and active D's (so no radios or ADS-B are needed) and 2) NEVER get out of sight of land.  :)

I've even asked the tower in Corpus and even they could not help!

Thanks.

 
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10/7/2020 2:45 PM
 

Hi SkyPuppy - I must be missing something.  It looks like to me a straight shot (direct from RKP to TXW).  You just have to stay above 2,500 ft. over Corpus Christi and over 2,000 ft. over Waldron.  Stay out of the C-Class areas, stay at a resonable altitude along Padre Island Nation Seashore, and keep your eyes open while in the Alert Area A-632B.  A nice VFR flight.  What am I missing? - Jim Williams

 
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10/7/2020 4:20 PM
 

Most people don't know this, but it is "rule airspace" above Class C up to 10,000'.  That is, though you are not in Class C (and don't need to talk to them) you are required to have a transponder/ADS-B.  SkyPuppy said he wanted to avoid the situation of needing ADS-B. So, overflying Corpus Christi (CC) is out unless he flies over 10K'.  No, scratch that, you're in rule airspace if over 10K'.  So, no overfly.

And I think his comment about staying within sight of land precludes him from doing a straight shot over Waldron to avoid Corpus Christi.  (Which would also fly him thru Alert Area 632B.)

That leaves the next shortest route as flying between CC and Waldron, but having to stay at 1200' or lower, which would keep you under CC's outer shelf.  I would follow the (what looks like a) land bridge over towards CC and then make a hard left to stay outside its inner circle.  You don't have to stay over/near that land bridge but I wouldn't fly at 1200' over water for any distance over 1/8 mile myself.  Fly south from there direct to your destination.  You do not need to talk to CC on the radio, and you don't need a transponder/ADS-B.  This also threads the needle between the Alert Areas. 

Note that at 1200' and lower you would be in Class G airspace in this area -- so "clear of clouds" and 1 SM visibility would be your VFR requirements.  But also note that while in G (uncontrolled airspace), ATC will supposedly not provide Flight Following, if so desired.  Before or after this period you would presumably be higher (in Class E), which has different VFR cloud/visibility requirements, and is controlled airspace.  I bring this up (besides the ATC consideration) because if 1200' was in Class E (which it is in most of the areas I fly in) then you'd need to stay 500' below clouds to be legal VFR -- which could potentially pinch you even closer to the water on a low-ceiling day.

The only other alternative I can see is going just west of CC and then south thru Alert Areas 632C & 632A..  The hours of operation are shown in iFly when you click on those areas.  If you try to fly thru during those hours then as Jim pointed out, you need to keep your head on a swivel.  Otherwise, and better, you should contact the controlling authority (NAS CC) and find out if these areas are going to be "hot" during your transit time.  Or, probably easier, just use Flight Following (since ATC should know if they're hot).


Powrachute PC 2000; Aventura II; Cherokee 180
 
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10/7/2020 4:23 PM
 
A third option I just noticed is that you can fly further west beyond CC, around Alert Area 632C, and then south.  The reason you have to go around this Alert Area (if you don't want to fly thru it) is because it goes from the surface to FL180.  But you can go under the other Alert Area 632A if you stay below 6000'. It adds about 60 SM to your flight vs flying between CC and Waldron.
 
This was an interesting problem.  If I lived in Texas I'd give it to my students as an exercise.
 
(...I'm unclear why I'm in quote-mode here...)

Powrachute PC 2000; Aventura II; Cherokee 180
 
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10/7/2020 6:54 PM
 

If SkyPuppy was gong to be doing this oftern, he/she might want to invest in a UAvionics tail beacon for $1800.

DW

 
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